i just cant let it go, yes it is on state land so spectator cant be charged to watch,not a big deal but as far as big money maker you are vary wrong, no one is paid for there time and it does take many many hours and the cost of insurance is out of the world for one day event, and yes you are vary right this forum is one of the biggest reasons there where so many people there this year, as many years Ive been going up for it this was maybe the largest crowd that i can remember that aren't running the hill but i do remember when there where more then 100 cars,all of which were buggy's of some sortand the hill didn't get graded much at all and everthing went good,may the trophy's should have been put over to appletree then 4 more people could set there and maybe we can park my motor home and everone Else's trucks down town with no parking lot parking the day of hill climb and we could put more people in the lot to watch for a great hill climb at no charge, i can think of a dozen buggers that would piss off but who cares, it just goes to show the more people are informed the more people bitch and I'm by far one of the biggest bitchers but this whole think gets old,maybe the one that pull off the hill climb stop to let others come forward to do it but that would just give people more to bitch about, it just never stops, oh by the way your so proud to be a sponsor here we could sure use the help here and its not all about the money, and yes rich is a very talented guy to pull his deal off and i give him great credit for that but he didn't do it with 5 or 6 people and there where some stumbles along the way but enough is enough put it to bed and lets start for spring and pull it off to be another great show, some day someone will learn i dint know when to stop